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	<title>Comments on: mitt romney, al sharpton, mormons, bigots, and hypocrisy (ain&#8217;t that a mouthfull?)</title>
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		<title>By: Romney, Mormonism, and the &#8220;Latino&#8221; Vote &#124; soundtrack for insurection</title>
		<link>http://www.emceelynx.com/2007/05/mitt-romney-al-sharpton-mormons-bigots-and-hypocrisy-aint-that-a-mouthfull/comment-page-1/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Romney, Mormonism, and the &#8220;Latino&#8221; Vote &#124; soundtrack for insurection</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is the third in a series of articles on this blog on mormons and race for the first two see http://blog.circlealpha.com/?p=22#more-22 and http://blog.circlealpha.com/?p=28.  Also, if you want something a bit [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is the third in a series of articles on this blog on mormons and race for the first two see <a href="http://blog.circlealpha.com/?p=22#more-22" >http://blog.circlealpha.com/?p=22#more-22</a> and <a href="http://blog.circlealpha.com/?p=28. " >http://blog.circlealpha.com/?p=28. </a> Also, if you want something a bit [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie Wheeler</title>
		<link>http://www.emceelynx.com/2007/05/mitt-romney-al-sharpton-mormons-bigots-and-hypocrisy-aint-that-a-mouthfull/comment-page-1/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackie Wheeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Jed,you will always be a hero to me. I didnt know how much you had suffered.

 mormons only play act at  being happy familys. (laughter)

There is so much vey wrong with LDS.  I was fooled for a while,then my 2nd husband showed me the lies behind their teachings. I began my own research and was shocked and very disapointed that I had been led so far astray. I lost my family because of my  faith in LDS. I feel shame that I was once a part of the lies.

Dont tell me the devil took my faith! Too much power is given to the devil in LDS teachings.

I no longer believe there is a devil.

My heart breaks every time I think of what LDS had me do.

http://www.mormoncurtain.com/topic_blacksandthepriesthood.html

Joseph Smith stated the following:
&quot;For instance, the descendants of Cain cannot cast off their skin of blackness, at once, and immediately, although every soul of them should repent, obey the Gospel, and do right from this day forward. . . . Cain and his posterity must wear the mark, which God put upon them; and his white friends may wash the race of Cain with fuller’s soap every day, they cannot wash away God’s mark; The Lamanites, through transgression, became a loathsome, ignorant and filthy people, and were cursed with a skin of darkness … yet, they have the promise, if they will believe, and work righteousness, that not many generations shall pass away before they shall become a white and delightsome people; but it will take some time to accomplish this at best&quot;
Source: The Latter-Day Saints Millennial Star, vol. 14, p. 418

http://www.edelman.com/   This is the PR firm mormon church used to find out if the time was right for blaks to get the priest hood.  It was not a revaltion from their god.

Beware LDS all you good folks, it help me make such a terrible mess of my life and my family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Jed,you will always be a hero to me. I didnt know how much you had suffered.</p>
<p> mormons only play act at  being happy familys. (laughter)</p>
<p>There is so much vey wrong with LDS.  I was fooled for a while,then my 2nd husband showed me the lies behind their teachings. I began my own research and was shocked and very disapointed that I had been led so far astray. I lost my family because of my  faith in LDS. I feel shame that I was once a part of the lies.</p>
<p>Dont tell me the devil took my faith! Too much power is given to the devil in LDS teachings.</p>
<p>I no longer believe there is a devil.</p>
<p>My heart breaks every time I think of what LDS had me do.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mormoncurtain.com/topic_blacksandthepriesthood.html" >http://www.mormoncurtain.com/topic_blacksandthepriesthood.html</a></p>
<p>Joseph Smith stated the following:<br />
&#8220;For instance, the descendants of Cain cannot cast off their skin of blackness, at once, and immediately, although every soul of them should repent, obey the Gospel, and do right from this day forward. . . . Cain and his posterity must wear the mark, which God put upon them; and his white friends may wash the race of Cain with fuller’s soap every day, they cannot wash away God’s mark; The Lamanites, through transgression, became a loathsome, ignorant and filthy people, and were cursed with a skin of darkness … yet, they have the promise, if they will believe, and work righteousness, that not many generations shall pass away before they shall become a white and delightsome people; but it will take some time to accomplish this at best&#8221;<br />
Source: The Latter-Day Saints Millennial Star, vol. 14, p. 418</p>
<p><a href="http://www.edelman.com/" >http://www.edelman.com/</a>   This is the PR firm mormon church used to find out if the time was right for blaks to get the priest hood.  It was not a revaltion from their god.</p>
<p>Beware LDS all you good folks, it help me make such a terrible mess of my life and my family.</p>
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		<title>By: Tanner</title>
		<link>http://www.emceelynx.com/2007/05/mitt-romney-al-sharpton-mormons-bigots-and-hypocrisy-aint-that-a-mouthfull/comment-page-1/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Tanner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 07:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really well-stated.

I was also mormon-born, mormon-raised, and now an atheist.

It&#039;s really informing to read this, I had noticed little bits with the Nephite and Lamanite skin-colour curses, but didn&#039;t think about it enough until now, basically.

I thought the skin curse stuff was just Jospeh Smith&#039;s way of making Mormonism make more sense by making all the white people that should be around, assuming anything was any bit true, killed by all the &quot;cursed&quot; Lamanites.

But I&#039;d say your argument makes a lot more sense, without a doubt.

And thanks for the read, it distracted me from my bad mood rather well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really well-stated.</p>
<p>I was also mormon-born, mormon-raised, and now an atheist.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really informing to read this, I had noticed little bits with the Nephite and Lamanite skin-colour curses, but didn&#8217;t think about it enough until now, basically.</p>
<p>I thought the skin curse stuff was just Jospeh Smith&#8217;s way of making Mormonism make more sense by making all the white people that should be around, assuming anything was any bit true, killed by all the &#8220;cursed&#8221; Lamanites.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;d say your argument makes a lot more sense, without a doubt.</p>
<p>And thanks for the read, it distracted me from my bad mood rather well.</p>
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		<title>By: The Rational Inquirer</title>
		<link>http://www.emceelynx.com/2007/05/mitt-romney-al-sharpton-mormons-bigots-and-hypocrisy-aint-that-a-mouthfull/comment-page-1/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>The Rational Inquirer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 23:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting and well-presented. I, too believe the racist doctrine of the Mormon church will do more to harm Romney&#039;s chances if the facts are laid before the voting public. The problem for Romney is his lifelong membership and devotion to this doctrine. Age the age of 31, when the 1978 &quot;revelation&quot; came to be, Romney was an adult who had had his entire life steeped in that culture. We would be suspect of (and are) of KKK members who &quot;see the light.&quot; Should we not be suspect of Romney? And although I have looked, I have not found anything in Romney&#039;s public life that has him denouncing any of the teachings of the past. Frankly what I have found is troubling: He skipped the swearing ceremony of DeVal Patrick, his successor in MA. Not a big deal unless you factor in that Patrick is the first African American elected governor of MA, and the second black governor in the history of the country. Romney claims that &quot;his schedule wouldn&#039;t permit&quot; a brief handshake and photo-op. In fact,  he went so far as to conduct his own &quot;exit ceremony&quot; the midnight before Patrick&#039;s swearing in. In July 2006, while campaigning in Iowa, Romney said he had to distance himself from the massive road project in Boston known as the Big Dig, saying he wouldn&#039;t want to touch that &quot;tar baby&quot; (a derogatory term for African American children.) As presidential candidate he issued a cursory two paragragh, 79-word statement acknowledging the start of Black History Month. Pitiful.

I, too, have written about Romney&#039;s race problem, and will continue to do so. Thanks for your perspective as a former Mormon. Originally, I thought I was a sole voice speaking out about what I felt was a critical issue against Romney, but your piece and hundreds if not thousands of others have reported the same concerns about Romney and Mormon church doctrine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting and well-presented. I, too believe the racist doctrine of the Mormon church will do more to harm Romney&#8217;s chances if the facts are laid before the voting public. The problem for Romney is his lifelong membership and devotion to this doctrine. Age the age of 31, when the 1978 &#8220;revelation&#8221; came to be, Romney was an adult who had had his entire life steeped in that culture. We would be suspect of (and are) of KKK members who &#8220;see the light.&#8221; Should we not be suspect of Romney? And although I have looked, I have not found anything in Romney&#8217;s public life that has him denouncing any of the teachings of the past. Frankly what I have found is troubling: He skipped the swearing ceremony of DeVal Patrick, his successor in MA. Not a big deal unless you factor in that Patrick is the first African American elected governor of MA, and the second black governor in the history of the country. Romney claims that &#8220;his schedule wouldn&#8217;t permit&#8221; a brief handshake and photo-op. In fact,  he went so far as to conduct his own &#8220;exit ceremony&#8221; the midnight before Patrick&#8217;s swearing in. In July 2006, while campaigning in Iowa, Romney said he had to distance himself from the massive road project in Boston known as the Big Dig, saying he wouldn&#8217;t want to touch that &#8220;tar baby&#8221; (a derogatory term for African American children.) As presidential candidate he issued a cursory two paragragh, 79-word statement acknowledging the start of Black History Month. Pitiful.</p>
<p>I, too, have written about Romney&#8217;s race problem, and will continue to do so. Thanks for your perspective as a former Mormon. Originally, I thought I was a sole voice speaking out about what I felt was a critical issue against Romney, but your piece and hundreds if not thousands of others have reported the same concerns about Romney and Mormon church doctrine.</p>
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		<title>By: circlealpha</title>
		<link>http://www.emceelynx.com/2007/05/mitt-romney-al-sharpton-mormons-bigots-and-hypocrisy-aint-that-a-mouthfull/comment-page-1/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>circlealpha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 00:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill,

That&#039;s exactly the kind of racist bullshit I&#039;m talking about.  you refer to the civil rights movement as &quot;the commandments of men&quot; - as though demands for racial equality and human dignity for people of color were simply a matter of &quot;men&quot; making demands for their own selfish reasons, and not a moral issue.  Implicitly, you are stating that your god *does not* &quot;command&quot; men to treat people of different ethnic and racial backgrounds as equal.  You are agreeing with the book of mormon which describes blackness as &quot;loathsome&quot; and a &quot;curse&quot;.  You are, in short, a racist.

and that is why I am not and will never again be a mormon.  I believe very strongly that if there is a god then that god does not and could not condone the kind of language which the book of mormon uses, and that therefore the book of mormon absolutely cannot be the word of god.  From there it is obvious that the self-proclaimed &quot;prophets&quot; of the mormon church are nothing more or less then self-serving con-men who prostitute the sacred to further their own agendas.

and you, sir, are a racist, and a dupe.  Thanks for dropping by and helping to prove my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s exactly the kind of racist bullshit I&#8217;m talking about.  you refer to the civil rights movement as &#8220;the commandments of men&#8221; &#8211; as though demands for racial equality and human dignity for people of color were simply a matter of &#8220;men&#8221; making demands for their own selfish reasons, and not a moral issue.  Implicitly, you are stating that your god *does not* &#8220;command&#8221; men to treat people of different ethnic and racial backgrounds as equal.  You are agreeing with the book of mormon which describes blackness as &#8220;loathsome&#8221; and a &#8220;curse&#8221;.  You are, in short, a racist.</p>
<p>and that is why I am not and will never again be a mormon.  I believe very strongly that if there is a god then that god does not and could not condone the kind of language which the book of mormon uses, and that therefore the book of mormon absolutely cannot be the word of god.  From there it is obvious that the self-proclaimed &#8220;prophets&#8221; of the mormon church are nothing more or less then self-serving con-men who prostitute the sacred to further their own agendas.</p>
<p>and you, sir, are a racist, and a dupe.  Thanks for dropping by and helping to prove my point.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.emceelynx.com/2007/05/mitt-romney-al-sharpton-mormons-bigots-and-hypocrisy-aint-that-a-mouthfull/comment-page-1/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 20:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem you face is that as a youngster you never understood that the prophet at the time received revelation that all worthy maile members of the church could hold both the Aaronic and Melchezidek priesthoods.  You would have to rely on the prophet Spencer W. Kimball as a prophet, seer, and revelator to bring that into focus for you.  At age 16 that was obviously not your focus.  I have many african american friends who joined the church long before 1978 and waited until the revelation was given. Their faith directed them to the church, priesthood or not. You let the deception of the &quot;commandments of men&quot;, the civil rights movement, separate you from the truth.
Sounds like your family has broken up because of these deceptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem you face is that as a youngster you never understood that the prophet at the time received revelation that all worthy maile members of the church could hold both the Aaronic and Melchezidek priesthoods.  You would have to rely on the prophet Spencer W. Kimball as a prophet, seer, and revelator to bring that into focus for you.  At age 16 that was obviously not your focus.  I have many african american friends who joined the church long before 1978 and waited until the revelation was given. Their faith directed them to the church, priesthood or not. You let the deception of the &#8220;commandments of men&#8221;, the civil rights movement, separate you from the truth.<br />
Sounds like your family has broken up because of these deceptions.</p>
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		<title>By: circlealpha</title>
		<link>http://www.emceelynx.com/2007/05/mitt-romney-al-sharpton-mormons-bigots-and-hypocrisy-aint-that-a-mouthfull/comment-page-1/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>circlealpha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 06:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ccb -

the short answer is they don&#039;t.  both of my parents think of themselves as very firmly anti-racist, they just avoid thinking about the parts of their religion that would bother them if they really looked at it.  Really, it&#039;s not unlike progressive catholics who just pretend that their church&#039;s homophobic and sexist doctrines don&#039;t exist or born again Christians who just avoid thinking about the fact that if they take their religion seriously then they&#039;re condemning the vast majority of the worlds past present and future population to burn for eternity in hell.

Really, for most people of most religions i think the actual doctrine is of secondary importance.  People join and stay loyal to churches because of the sense of community that churches provide in a fractured alienated society.  That doesn&#039;t mean we can ignore the doctrine though.

I am glad, however, to report that as of now my younger sister has also left the mormon church and both my brothers seem well on their way as well.  So in my family at least the lie ends with my parents.  This gives me hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ccb -</p>
<p>the short answer is they don&#8217;t.  both of my parents think of themselves as very firmly anti-racist, they just avoid thinking about the parts of their religion that would bother them if they really looked at it.  Really, it&#8217;s not unlike progressive catholics who just pretend that their church&#8217;s homophobic and sexist doctrines don&#8217;t exist or born again Christians who just avoid thinking about the fact that if they take their religion seriously then they&#8217;re condemning the vast majority of the worlds past present and future population to burn for eternity in hell.</p>
<p>Really, for most people of most religions i think the actual doctrine is of secondary importance.  People join and stay loyal to churches because of the sense of community that churches provide in a fractured alienated society.  That doesn&#8217;t mean we can ignore the doctrine though.</p>
<p>I am glad, however, to report that as of now my younger sister has also left the mormon church and both my brothers seem well on their way as well.  So in my family at least the lie ends with my parents.  This gives me hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Hilde Susan Jaegtnes</title>
		<link>http://www.emceelynx.com/2007/05/mitt-romney-al-sharpton-mormons-bigots-and-hypocrisy-aint-that-a-mouthfull/comment-page-1/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>Hilde Susan Jaegtnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 00:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very lucid analysis of the Mormon ideology (which I was fairly unfamiliar with until now, so thank you!) and, as always, you make a convincing and compassionate argument against discrimination and exclusion of population segments. I admire your courage to stand up for your beliefs, despite the conflict it brought you into with your family. You seem to have matured or woken up very early. I feel ages behind you, even though you are younger! Anyway, thanks again for sharing, I feel enlightened on this hung-over, chilly Friday afternoon. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very lucid analysis of the Mormon ideology (which I was fairly unfamiliar with until now, so thank you!) and, as always, you make a convincing and compassionate argument against discrimination and exclusion of population segments. I admire your courage to stand up for your beliefs, despite the conflict it brought you into with your family. You seem to have matured or woken up very early. I feel ages behind you, even though you are younger! Anyway, thanks again for sharing, I feel enlightened on this hung-over, chilly Friday afternoon. <img src='http://www.emceelynx.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: CCB</title>
		<link>http://www.emceelynx.com/2007/05/mitt-romney-al-sharpton-mormons-bigots-and-hypocrisy-aint-that-a-mouthfull/comment-page-1/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>CCB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 23:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just out of curiosity...how does your family deal with these inconsistencies as you have explained them?
CCB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just out of curiosity&#8230;how does your family deal with these inconsistencies as you have explained them?<br />
CCB</p>
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